Havdalah Or Chanukah Lights Which Comes First
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Tadir Usheino Tadir, Tadir Kodem

based on shiur by Rabbi Jachter

Rishonim and Acharonim have debated which should be done first on Motzei Shabbos, Havdalah, or Neros Chanukah. This debate is recorded as early as the thirteenth century by the Meiri (Shabbos 23). This is a situation of competing Halachic principles, and Poskim have endlessly debated which one has priority.

The Competing Principles

On one hand, one could argue that Havdalah should be performed first because of the principle of Tadir Usheino Tadir, Tadir Kodem - the activity that is performed more often should be performed first (Zevachim 89a). This principle has firm biblical roots, as the Torah (Bemidbar chapter 28) teaches that the Korban Tamid (the daily communal sacrifice) should be offered before the Korban Mussaf (special sacrificial offering for Shabbos, Rosh Chodesh, and Yamim Tovim). The Torah (Bemidbar 28:23) even teaches why the Tamid sacrifice is offered before the Mussaf, since the Korban Tamid is offered more often (see Zevachim 89a). As articulated by Rav Aharon Lichtenstein one tends to cherish events that occur infrequently, because it constitutes a break from the daily routine. The Gemara (Megilah 21b) writes that people find Megilah reading and the recitation of Hallel more "beloved" than Krias Hatorah. We tend to be more excited about a once a year visit to a beloved aunt or uncle than seeing our immediate family every day. However, the people and events that are part of our daily existence are often more important than those that we encounter infrequently.

There are numerous applications of the Tadir principle. Men during the week put on Tallis before Tefillin in part because of this principle (see Bais Yosef Orach Chaim 25 s.v. Veachar). In Kiddush, we recite the Beracha of Borei Pri Hagafen before the Beracha of the Kedushas Hayom in part because of this principle (Pesachim 114a). It is partly because of this principle that we read the portion of Rosh Chodesh before the portion of Chanukah during Krias Hatorah on Rosh Chodesh Teves (Tosafos Shabbos 23b s.v. Hadar). The Mishna Berura (52:5) citing the Chayei Adam rules that if one arrives late to Shul on Shabbos morning, one should skip the added sections of Pesukei Dezimra for Shabbos in favor of the portions of Pesukei Dezimra that we recite daily. We should note, though, that sometimes this rule is not applied. For example, the Shulchan Aruch (O.C. 643:1) rules that the Beracha of Leisheiv BaSukkah precedes the Beracha of Shechiyanu on Sukkos. Moreover, Tosafos (Shabbos 23b s.v. Hadar) note that the Tadir only rule decides which Mitzva should be performed first. However, the Tadir rule does not decide which of two Mitzvos should be performed when only one of two Mitzvos can be performed.

Afukei Yoma Meacharinan

On the other hand, there is a competing principle to the Tadir rule. This rule states Afukei Yoma Meacharinan, we seek to prolong our observance of Shabbos. For example, when Yom Tov occurs on Motzei Shabbos, we recite Kiddush before Havdalah because of this principle (Pesachim 102b-103a, Rashbam 102b s.v. Rav Amar Yaknah). The Terumas Hadeshen (number 60) rules that Sefiras HaOmer should be recited before Havdalah because of this principle. The Shulchan Aruch (O.C. 489:9) rules in accordance with the Terumas Hadeshen, and the Mishna Berura does not record a dissenting opinion. The Rama (O.C. 693:1) rules, based on this principle (see Mishna Berura 693:3), that we should first read Megilas Esther and only later recite Havdalah.

Pirsumei Nissah

One might argue that Havdalah should precede Neros Chanukah because Havdalah is a Torah level obligation (at least according to the Rambam, Hilchos Shabbos 29:1) and Neros Chanukah is merely a rabbinical obligation. This argument, though, might not be valid since the Gemara (Shabbos 23b) writes that Neros Chanukah enjoy preference over Kiddush (which also is a Torah obligation according to the Rambam, ibid.). The Gemara speaks of a poor individual who has sufficient funds to purchase either Neros Chanukah or wine for Kiddush. The Gemara states that he should purchase Chanukah candles because they serve to publicize the miracle of Chanukah. On the other hand, the Rambam (Hilchos Shabbos 29:6) believes that wine for Kiddush is only a rabbinical obligation. Nonetheless, the Gemara does indicate the elevated status of Neros Chanukah because of its role "to publicize the miracle." Indeed, the Rambam (Hilchos Chanukah 4:12) writes, "the Mitzva of Neros Chanukah is exceedingly beloved and one must exercise care about it, in order to inform people of the miracle and contribute to the offering of praise and thanks to HaShem for the miracles he has made on our behalf."

The Opinions - Rishonim and the Shulchan Aruch with its Commentaries

The Meiri (Shabbos 23) records the debate among Rishonim whether Neros Chanukah should be lit before or after Havdalah. The Meiri writes that the custom is his locale is to light Neros Chanukah first. His explanation is that on Motzai Shabbos, we light Neros Chanukah after the optimal time. The Meiri explains that we wish to light Chanukah lights as early as we can, to minimize the amount of time that we must light Neros Chanukah after its ideal time. On the other hand, the Terumat Hadeshen (number 60) and other Rishonim rule that in the synagogue one should light Neros Chanukah first because of the rule of Afukei Yoma Meacharinan. Another reason offered is the priority accorded to Ner Chanukah because of its role to publicize the miracle.

On the other hand, the Raavad (Temim Deim 174) and a number of other Rishonim rule that Havdalah should be recited first. Among the reasons these Rishonim offer is the principle of Tadir Usheino Tadir Tadir Kodem and that it is inappropriate to light the Chanukah light before reciting the blessing on light within the framework of Havdalah.

The Shulchan Aruch (Orach Chaim 681:2) rules that Chanukah lights should be kindled in Shul before Havdalah. The Rama (ibid.) adds that one should also light Neros Chanukah before reciting Havdalah at home. The Taz (O.C. 681:1) argues vigorously and at great length, that one should first say Havdalah when lighting at home. The Taz emphasizes the importance of the rule of Tadir Usheino Tadir, Tadir Kodem, noting that this rule is of biblical origin. The Taz seeks to prove from various passages in the Gemara that the Tadir rule enjoys precedence over the principle of Afukei Yoma Meacharinan. Moreover, the Taz argues that one does not extend Shabbos by lighting Chanukah candles first, because kindling Neros Chanukah is forbidden on Shabbos. The reason for Afukei Yoma is that we do not want to treat Shabbos as a burden that we are eager to shed. However, when one lights Ner Chanukah he has, by definition, completed Shabbos. Thus, one does not accomplish Afukei Yoma Meacharinan by lighting Neros Chanukah before Havdalah. This, explains the Taz, is what distinguishes Neros Chanukah from Sefiras Haomer and Megila reading. The latter two activities are not forbidden to perform on Shabbos and thus one legitimately delays the termination of Shabbos by performing these Mitzvos first.

Acharonim and Later Codes

The accepted practice for Shul is to light Chanukah lights and subsequently perform Havdalah (Biur Halacha 681 s.v. Madlikin and Ben Ish Chai Parshat Vayeshev 21). In Shul, only one person kindles the Chanukah candles. Thus, when we light Chanukah candles first in Shul, Shabbos is prolonged for everyone except for the one who lit the Chanukah lights. Moreover, the Aruch Hashulchan (O.C. 681:2) explains that since great "publicity of the Chanukah miracle" occurs when lighting Chanukah lights in Shul, there is more reason to light Neros Chanukah first in Shul than there is at home. Thus, the consensus accepts that Shul Chanukah lighting enjoys priority over Havdalah. The debate, however, about what to do at home continued to rage during the period of the Acharonim.

The Vilna Gaon, Eliyahu Rabba, Chamad Moshe, Bait Meir, and Chayei Adam rule in accordance with the Rama. The Maharal of Prague, Pri Chadash, and Tosafos Yom Tov side with the Taz.

The later Acharonim encountered difficulty in resolving this debate. The Mishna Berura (681:3) concludes that this dispute remains unresolved and therefore one may follow either opinion. Sefardic authorities (Ben Ish Chai, Parshas Vayeshev 21 and Rav Ovadia Yosef, Teshuvos Yechave Daas 1:75) rule that at home one recites Havdalah and subsequently kindle Chanukah lights. Various communities had accepted practices regarding how to resolve this debate. Rav David Zvi Hoffman (Teshuvos Melamed Lehoil 1:122) records that the Minhag in Germany was to follow the Taz and perform Havdalah first. The Aruch Hashulchan (O.C. 681:2) writes that the practice in Lithuania was to perform Havdalah first, unless one heard Havdalah in Shul.

Conclusion

The debate whether lighting Chanukah candles or reciting Havdalah comes first has been partially resolved. The accepted practice for Shul is to light Chanukah candles first. The question regarding what to do at home has not been resolved (accept for Sefardim who recite Havdalah first). One should consult with one’s Rav for guidance. One should also consult with parents or family elders to see if there is a specific tradition regarding this issue in his family.

Tadir Usheino Tadir, Tadir Kodem

based on shiur by Rabbi Jachter

Rishonim and Acharonim have debated which should be done first on Motzei Shabbos, Havdalah, or Neros Chanukah. This debate is recorded as early as the thirteenth century by the Meiri (Shabbos 23). This is a situation of competing Halachic principles, and Poskim have endlessly debated which one has priority.

The Competing Principles

On one hand, one could argue that Havdalah should be performed first because of the principle of Tadir Usheino Tadir, Tadir Kodem - the activity that is performed more often should be performed first (Zevachim 89a). This principle has firm biblical roots, as the Torah (Bemidbar chapter 28) teaches that the Korban Tamid (the daily communal sacrifice) should be offered before the Korban Mussaf (special sacrificial offering for Shabbos, Rosh Chodesh, and Yamim Tovim). The Torah (Bemidbar 28:23) even teaches why the Tamid sacrifice is offered before the Mussaf, since the Korban Tamid is offered more often (see Zevachim 89a). As articulated by Rav Aharon Lichtenstein one tends to cherish events that occur infrequently, because it constitutes a break from the daily routine. The Gemara (Megilah 21b) writes that people find Megilah reading and the recitation of Hallel more "beloved" than Krias Hatorah. We tend to be more excited about a once a year visit to a beloved aunt or uncle than seeing our immediate family every day. However, the people and events that are part of our daily existence are often more important than those that we encounter infrequently.

There are numerous applications of the Tadir principle. Men during the week put on Tallis before Tefillin in part because of this principle (see Bais Yosef Orach Chaim 25 s.v. Veachar). In Kiddush, we recite the Beracha of Borei Pri Hagafen before the Beracha of the Kedushas Hayom in part because of this principle (Pesachim 114a). It is partly because of this principle that we read the portion of Rosh Chodesh before the portion of Chanukah during Krias Hatorah on Rosh Chodesh Teves (Tosafos Shabbos 23b s.v. Hadar). The Mishna Berura (52:5) citing the Chayei Adam rules that if one arrives late to Shul on Shabbos morning, one should skip the added sections of Pesukei Dezimra for Shabbos in favor of the portions of Pesukei Dezimra that we recite daily. We should note, though, that sometimes this rule is not applied. For example, the Shulchan Aruch (O.C. 643:1) rules that the Beracha of Leisheiv BaSukkah precedes the Beracha of Shechiyanu on Sukkos. Moreover, Tosafos (Shabbos 23b s.v. Hadar) note that the Tadir only rule decides which Mitzva should be performed first. However, the Tadir rule does not decide which of two Mitzvos should be performed when only one of two Mitzvos can be performed.

Afukei Yoma Meacharinan

On the other hand, there is a competing principle to the Tadir rule. This rule states Afukei Yoma Meacharinan, we seek to prolong our observance of Shabbos. For example, when Yom Tov occurs on Motzei Shabbos, we recite Kiddush before Havdalah because of this principle (Pesachim 102b-103a, Rashbam 102b s.v. Rav Amar Yaknah). The Terumas Hadeshen (number 60) rules that Sefiras HaOmer should be recited before Havdalah because of this principle. The Shulchan Aruch (O.C. 489:9) rules in accordance with the Terumas Hadeshen, and the Mishna Berura does not record a dissenting opinion. The Rama (O.C. 693:1) rules, based on this principle (see Mishna Berura 693:3), that we should first read Megilas Esther and only later recite Havdalah.

Pirsumei Nissah

One might argue that Havdalah should precede Neros Chanukah because Havdalah is a Torah level obligation (at least according to the Rambam, Hilchos Shabbos 29:1) and Neros Chanukah is merely a rabbinical obligation. This argument, though, might not be valid since the Gemara (Shabbos 23b) writes that Neros Chanukah enjoy preference over Kiddush (which also is a Torah obligation according to the Rambam, ibid.). The Gemara speaks of a poor individual who has sufficient funds to purchase either Neros Chanukah or wine for Kiddush. The Gemara states that he should purchase Chanukah candles because they serve to publicize the miracle of Chanukah. On the other hand, the Rambam (Hilchos Shabbos 29:6) believes that wine for Kiddush is only a rabbinical obligation. Nonetheless, the Gemara does indicate the elevated status of Neros Chanukah because of its role "to publicize the miracle." Indeed, the Rambam (Hilchos Chanukah 4:12) writes, "the Mitzva of Neros Chanukah is exceedingly beloved and one must exercise care about it, in order to inform people of the miracle and contribute to the offering of praise and thanks to HaShem for the miracles he has made on our behalf."

The Opinions - Rishonim and the Shulchan Aruch with its Commentaries

The Meiri (Shabbos 23) records the debate among Rishonim whether Neros Chanukah should be lit before or after Havdalah. The Meiri writes that the custom is his locale is to light Neros Chanukah first. His explanation is that on Motzai Shabbos, we light Neros Chanukah after the optimal time. The Meiri explains that we wish to light Chanukah lights as early as we can, to minimize the amount of time that we must light Neros Chanukah after its ideal time. On the other hand, the Terumat Hadeshen (number 60) and other Rishonim rule that in the synagogue one should light Neros Chanukah first because of the rule of Afukei Yoma Meacharinan. Another reason offered is the priority accorded to Ner Chanukah because of its role to publicize the miracle.

On the other hand, the Raavad (Temim Deim 174) and a number of other Rishonim rule that Havdalah should be recited first. Among the reasons these Rishonim offer is the principle of Tadir Usheino Tadir Tadir Kodem and that it is inappropriate to light the Chanukah light before reciting the blessing on light within the framework of Havdalah.

The Shulchan Aruch (Orach Chaim 681:2) rules that Chanukah lights should be kindled in Shul before Havdalah. The Rama (ibid.) adds that one should also light Neros Chanukah before reciting Havdalah at home. The Taz (O.C. 681:1) argues vigorously and at great length, that one should first say Havdalah when lighting at home. The Taz emphasizes the importance of the rule of Tadir Usheino Tadir, Tadir Kodem, noting that this rule is of biblical origin. The Taz seeks to prove from various passages in the Gemara that the Tadir rule enjoys precedence over the principle of Afukei Yoma Meacharinan. Moreover, the Taz argues that one does not extend Shabbos by lighting Chanukah candles first, because kindling Neros Chanukah is forbidden on Shabbos. The reason for Afukei Yoma is that we do not want to treat Shabbos as a burden that we are eager to shed. However, when one lights Ner Chanukah he has, by definition, completed Shabbos. Thus, one does not accomplish Afukei Yoma Meacharinan by lighting Neros Chanukah before Havdalah. This, explains the Taz, is what distinguishes Neros Chanukah from Sefiras Haomer and Megila reading. The latter two activities are not forbidden to perform on Shabbos and thus one legitimately delays the termination of Shabbos by performing these Mitzvos first.

Acharonim and Later Codes

The accepted practice for Shul is to light Chanukah lights and subsequently perform Havdalah (Biur Halacha 681 s.v. Madlikin and Ben Ish Chai Parshat Vayeshev 21). In Shul, only one person kindles the Chanukah candles. Thus, when we light Chanukah candles first in Shul, Shabbos is prolonged for everyone except for the one who lit the Chanukah lights. Moreover, the Aruch Hashulchan (O.C. 681:2) explains that since great "publicity of the Chanukah miracle" occurs when lighting Chanukah lights in Shul, there is more reason to light Neros Chanukah first in Shul than there is at home. Thus, the consensus accepts that Shul Chanukah lighting enjoys priority over Havdalah. The debate, however, about what to do at home continued to rage during the period of the Acharonim.

The Vilna Gaon, Eliyahu Rabba, Chamad Moshe, Bait Meir, and Chayei Adam rule in accordance with the Rama. The Maharal of Prague, Pri Chadash, and Tosafos Yom Tov side with the Taz.

The later Acharonim encountered difficulty in resolving this debate. The Mishna Berura (681:3) concludes that this dispute remains unresolved and therefore one may follow either opinion. Sefardic authorities (Ben Ish Chai, Parshas Vayeshev 21 and Rav Ovadia Yosef, Teshuvos Yechave Daas 1:75) rule that at home one recites Havdalah and subsequently kindle Chanukah lights. Various communities had accepted practices regarding how to resolve this debate. Rav David Zvi Hoffman (Teshuvos Melamed Lehoil 1:122) records that the Minhag in Germany was to follow the Taz and perform Havdalah first. The Aruch Hashulchan (O.C. 681:2) writes that the practice in Lithuania was to perform Havdalah first, unless one heard Havdalah in Shul.

Conclusion

The debate whether lighting Chanukah candles or reciting Havdalah comes first has been partially resolved. The accepted practice for Shul is to light Chanukah candles first. The question regarding what to do at home has not been resolved (accept for Sefardim who recite Havdalah first). One should consult with one’s Rav for guidance. One should also consult with parents or family elders to see if there is a specific tradition regarding this issue in his family.

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